Ban PAO(K), AEK and OLY

For how long can this go on before someone does something to stop the hooligans? I keep hearing about such battles between fans of the major soccer teams since forever. Yes, there is something to be done. If fans can’t behave themselves, they should simply ban completely and utterly these soccer teams. And if the fans don’t stop, next year ban their equivalent basketball teams. And if they still don’t stop, they should ban their equivalent volleyball, handball, water-polo etc teams until there is nothing left from these mafia-like corporations that are operating in Greece since the ’50s and negatively influencing under the table their fans as well as playing political games. I wish there was a judge with guts to completely dismantle these companies. Because we are talking about pop cults here, not just soccer teams.

And for those Greek readers who will reply below “why the teams should pay for the stupidity of their fans” I answer you this: don’t be so naive. If the owners of the teams wanted peace, they would have found a way to make sure that everyone who stays in the “club” is a fan and not a fanatic. But you see, running a cult is more powerful experience and more profitable than just running a sports team.

Update: If it’s one thing that USA does right that’s sportsmanship. There are extremely few issues every year (usually in american football games) while in some popular sports like baseball, there are almost never any issues — not even bad-mouthing during a game. You can go watch baseball with your 4 year old son and you will know that you will be safe. In South America and in some parts of Europe that’s unheard of for big soccer matches.

I still remember when my cousin was first enlisted in the Greek Police Force in 1980 (and I was just 7, but it made an impression on me). Until you gain some leverage and experience in the force and be assigned “better jobs” within the Police Station, you are usually sent to serve with the MAT for a few weeks (MAT is the authority that makes sure nothing bad happens during a protest or a sport’s match). Needless to say that after just a single Sunday with serving with the MAT in a soccer match he ended up with bruises all over his body and he had to take 3 days off. What a wonderful way to start a career.


Tom Dison wrote on March 30th, 2007 at 2:38 AM PST:

I agree! That’s why I don’t watch Hockey in the U.S. Violence is encouraged as a regular part of the sport. I also want nothing to do with soccer because of what I have seen around the world.

Baseball games are for the most part civil. Even in football, where you have giant people running around smacking each other, have you noticed what control the referees have over players? The players aren’t allowed to mess with the referees – one touch and they are out of the game.

Sportsmanship needs to be taught from the youngest age, and it must be enforced. I remember totally losing interest in Tennis after watching guys like McEnroes run around cussing like big babies. They should have been immediately dismissed from the game. The tennis I have seen lately seems much better. Golf also has a real tradition of civility. Players actually impose penalties on themselves.

Rant over.

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Eugenia wrote on March 30th, 2007 at 5:01 AM PST:

Actually, the problem described in the post is between the fans of the teams, not between the players. The players are usually professional in their behavior.

Tom Dison wrote on March 30th, 2007 at 5:59 AM PST:

Is it a cultural thing, or what? I’ve always wondered why such extreme violence is tolerated. Is it more socially acceptable in some countries than others?

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Eugenia wrote on March 30th, 2007 at 6:20 AM PST:

It is part of their life I guess. Sports violence exists in Greece since the ’50s, so the newer generation grew up thinking that “this is how it is”.

KCorax wrote on March 31st, 2007 at 5:42 AM PST:

The way I see it from the inside things are quite a bit more complicated. I remember going with my parents to sports games when I was a kid circa 90-95 without any concept of fear.

The current issue lies with imports. Associations that implicitly support hooligans actually strike deals to move them around countries, get them free hotel reservations, liquor, drugs etc. For example the recent Greece-Turkey soccer game was supported by Russians. I also actually know a guy who travels to Italy to burn and break stuff in exchange for simmilar support from fans there.

In a recent raid to such a ’sports’ club the police found a small weighting scale. Obviously trafficking drugs has little to do with sports.

Bottom line, I think this isn’t about sports. It’s people with serious issues that know nothing but doing that and doing it efficiently. They just need an excuse.

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