Linux home-DV software

I am sad now. The only home-DV editing application that was a bit “sane” to use on Linux, Kino, is no more. The author says that he stops working for now (usually this means “goodbye”). The application with the best UI for a video editing app, the ever promising Diva, is toast too (as I wrote many months ago). The other apps that do DV editing absolutely *suck* in various levels (from UI to usability to functionality to stability).

I wrote this article about the bad state of DV editing under Linux more than 3 years ago, and nothing, absolutely fucking nothing has changed.

Where is Canonical or Novell when you _really_ need them? It is 2007 and Linux still doesn’t have a good DV editing solution, when the Mac has iMovie and many other good commercial ones and Windows about 20 really good ones. Heck, Ubuntu still is shipping without a home video editor when so many people have camcorders.

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Luis wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 1:05 AM PST:

The announcement doesn’t sound as bad as you put it. Basically he admits that Kino is a limited app and that it would need a complete overhaul to be really useful in the future. But then he admits that kdenlive is already ahead in this effort, and since it uses the MLT framework that he created, he will put his effort into improving this framework and thus improving kdenlive. So in fact I think this is GOOD news regarding video editing in Linux.

Kdenlive is the best editor we’ve ever had. It’s obviously in an early stage, but it works good, it has a nice UI, it’s intuitive and acceptably stable (I’m talking about its latest release, since previous ones were very different).

Besides, the DIVA developer said he would probably use MLT framework to continue his project, so in that sense it could be good news too.


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Eugenia wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 6:06 AM PST:

I don’t really care who is working in what framework. What I care as an end-user is what useful applications they bring forward. And as of now, I don’t see any.

I don’t have KDE installed btw, so I can’t install kdenlive. I prefer the look of gtk apps.

Oliver, please use HTML next time to represent links. I am really anal about this.


Luis wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 7:14 AM PST:

Yes, KDE apps don’t play nice in Gnome (too bad, since Gnome apps do work fine in KDE). I also prefer the look of GTK apps, but some KDE ones are better, which is more important to me.

Try to give Kdenlive a try when you have the chance. Not only it looks good – it also works as expected (well, most of the time). It’s really a pity that it’s getting so little love from distributions (it’s hardly available in anyone).


Luis wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 7:19 AM PST:

Sorry, I guess I did something wrong with the link to the screenshot.


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Eugenia wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 7:25 AM PST:

Honestly, I am not sure I want to install 200 MBs of kdelibs just so I can run kdenlive. I also searched on Ubuntu’s repository, the app is just not there at all…


Richard wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 7:51 AM PST:

Hi,

I mentioned my Project the Open Movie Editor before, and I know that it doesn’t use the one true toolkit ;-) , but never the less I invite you, Eugenia, to look at it and tell me any suggestions or wishes that you have.

It is not ready for general adoption yet, but it’s moving forward, and I do have a very strong commitment to usability.

And btw, it’s not really tied very hard to the used toolkit, it only utilizes basic widgets and drawing canvas’, so theoretically it should be feasibly to port it to other toolkits. However I prefer to get the core functionality ready before diverting to such “cosmetics”. :-)

Cheers
-Richard


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Eugenia wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 7:57 AM PST:

>It is not ready for general adoption yet

Richard, this is exactly what bothers me. Linux has about 10 half-baked DV editors, eternally under development (no offense). I need one that actually works as well as iMovie does. I am not in the Linux world just so I can eternally beta test. I want to do some real work.

Also, AFAIK your app does not have official ubuntu packages either. And are these heavy dark colorshardcoded in your app?

I would be seriously interested when you have something stable and full-featured out. Even if it’s not GTK.


Richard wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 8:14 AM PST:

The colors are hardcoded, I’m going for that “pro” look that some apps on osx and win32 have, but this is obviously a matter of taste, and they can be changed, however, I prefer to postpone that discussion to the point when it is actually ready for prime time.

official ubuntu packages will happen when there are official debian packages, and I am already in contact with a debian developer who will take care of that.

Currently the most significant feature being worked on is the ability to support all the different framerates that are in the wild seamlessly with as little user-intervention as possible. I think this is the most significant issue remaining, and it’s really a hard one.

But when that works it should at least be usable for most people. Another hard problem is interfacing directly with capture-devices and stuff, but we will see how that works out.


Richard wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 8:19 AM PST:

OpenME tries to be an editing app first, and a capturing-app second. I know that for a seamless experience both should be done, but I since working capturing tools are already available this is a secondary issue. And capturing is difficult to do “right”, and I’d rather do something the “right” way, or else not at all.


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Eugenia wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 10:10 AM PST:

I just installed MainActor btw, it does not capture from DV. It’s just a video editor, not a DV home-movie editor.


Oliver Herold wrote on March 12th, 2007 at 10:16 AM PST:

If I do think of open-source, I do think of community first, second I think of companies. In about 12 years I realized one important thing in open-source, there will be no application if there is no need for it. There will be an application if someone is able to do it.
Of course not everybody is a developer, but who should develop this precious application without needing it? And you do need people to maintain this software in future. All this without any money, just for fun? The latter is important for development in open-source.

http://www.mainconcept.com/site/index.php?id=15

Mainactor would be the solution if you’re ready to spend some money.


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