Regarding horror movies

I can’t understand people who go to see ugly horror movies that have lots of raw gore in them. I mean, why would I want to see in great graphic detail how a person gets tortured? WHY?

There is even a TV commercial these days here in USA that a horror fan coming out of the theater says “everyone wants to get scared”. Well, no, not everyone. I don’t mind some “light” horror movies that don’t really take themselves too seriously (e.g. “Final Destination”, “The Others”), but when you have to deal with raw gore violence of excruciating proportions like some movies in the last 4-5 years, I am against it. I just don’t see any entertainment or other value in them. It’s not only that I don’t have the stomach for them, but I also loath them just for existing. In my mind, there should be no reason for such movies to exist.

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Andreas wrote on October 30th, 2006 at 11:19 AM PST:

I don’t see where is the problem. It’s a matter of taste. There are good and bad horror movies and they are produced because they are entertaining for a lot of people.


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Eugenia wrote on October 30th, 2006 at 11:23 AM PST:

That’s the part I don’t get. I don’t GET how torturing someone can be entertaining. Sorry, but I don’t support such “matters of tastes”. These viewers must go and see a shrink in my book. There is something wrong with them if they take pleasure out of watching torture.


Adam wrote on October 30th, 2006 at 11:27 AM PST:

People like being scared for the same reason they like bungee jumping or being in love – because feeling extreme emotions is like being ALIVE in an even more vivid way than normal. Many people, including me, enjoy a little horror now and again, because it gets your blood flowing and reminds you what your body is truly capable of feeling. On the other hand, too much of that feeling is exhausting and unenjoyable. So it’s just a little escape.


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Eugenia wrote on October 30th, 2006 at 11:31 AM PST:

For me, there is a difference between getting some excitement via bungee/plane jumping or rollercoasters, and enjoying seeing people cut in halves. It is NOT the same. While the END result might be the same (in terms of body chemistry), the WAY you get there does NOT hold the same respect for me.


sobkas wrote on October 30th, 2006 at 11:48 AM PST:

Now I see gore on osnews. Something ate today news, and only bare comments were left intact:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=16343
comments:
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=16343
and many more.

or maybe it doesn’t work only for me.


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Eugenia wrote on October 30th, 2006 at 11:51 AM PST:

Please be on topic, or I will have to delete your comment. We know of the osnews problem, it’s a mysql date problem in fact. As we speak we are awaiting our admin to change mysql’s time settings.


Thom Holwerda wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 1:45 AM PST:

I can’t understand people who go to see mediocre television shows that have lots of bad actors in them. I mean, why would I want to see in great graphic detail how bad actors portray flat characters? I mean, people in television shows are always extremely atractive or strong, and the show has no resemblance to real life (you know, the blonde chick rocket scientist with cup D). WHY?

I mean, television shows like “Lost” and “24″. They have NO connection whatsoever to real life, the acting is mediocre, the humour is forced, and originality is a word with too many syllables. I just don’t see any entertainment or other value in them. It’s not only that I don’t like having to sit through a lot of bad acting (also torture), but I also loath them just for existing. In my mind, there should be no reason for such television shows to exist.

Luckily, I have a remote control, so when such a show is on, I just switch to another channel or turn off the TV, leaving the people who do wish to watch mediocre acting be, without passing judgement on them. I don’t understand why people would want to see mediocre crap on TV, but I certainly won’t say they need a psychiatrist. It’s all a matter of taste.


Andreas wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 1:46 AM PST:

I do not agree. Why a 30 sec torturing is more ethical than a 70 min torturing? You can argue that a movie with 70min torturing is a boring or simply a bad movie but not more ethical than another with 30sec torturing.

With what right do you have objections what kind of movies OTHER people find entertaining?

The conclusion that people who like movies with 70min torturing will become insensitive is irrational. I cannot find a single argument to support this kind of statement.

Anyway, I think is clear that we cannot find a similar point of view here. I am glad that horror movies exist. Some of them are very bad but this happens with all kind of movies. It’s impossible to put limits or set standards on what is ethical, entertaining or of bad taste. And aguing that some of them shoud not exits is like asking fo censorship.


sobkas wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 1:47 AM PST:

Now the on topic one.

Somewhere (no I don’t remember where) I have read that main purpose of horrors is to prepare watchers for situations(office, angry boss, job interview) in with they can’t do what their instincts says (flee or fight).
So if this situations became even scarier horror must keep up with level of fear it dose to fans.
Theory is rather simply. If someone in controlled conditions is experiencing fear(horror is a fiction) in the future is less likely to panic in stressful (or scary) conditions. He will get used to fear as one of normal feelings. And as live gets more stressful(and informations about dangerous events streams form all over the world) it’s rather hard for horror to beat real-life at this one.
To keep it short gore is an easy shot of horror to actually scare people.
It’s easiest way to fulfil the purpose of horror. So I can see gore in movies because it’s easy not because it has so many blood or something. And sometimes the easy way is popular(just watch and fear).

ps. on my defence I have only one thing, it was rather late when I was writing it.


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Eugenia wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 2:18 AM PST:

>Why a 30 sec torturing is more ethical than a 70 min torturing?

Because in the example I used, the 30sec is a cut-off scene with lots of suggestions rather than raw details.


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Eugenia wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 7:50 AM PST:

Thom, your comment is off the mark as your example doesn’t cut it.


Thom Holwerda wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 8:29 AM PST:

Why not? You simply don’t like slasher movies– I don’t like crappy TV shows. Where’s the differences? People liking to watch fake gore is the thing you find weird, people liking to watch crappy bad acting for hours on end is the thing I find weird.

I don’t see the difference. It’s all about personal preference. Great you don’t like slasher movies, I’m not a particular big fan of horror movies either (they have a lot of…. Bad acting), but I don’t go calling people sick if they do like those movies.

Isn’t it great, living in the free world where you have a choice?


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Eugenia wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 8:31 AM PST:

No, it is not about personal preference. It is about keeping your humanity and not allowing yourself to become an animal.

And “Lost” is not a crappy TV show. Don’t make comments out of your ass.


Thom Holwerda wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 8:42 AM PST:

Eugenia. I *FIND* Lost a crappy TV show. THAT is the KEY to this discussion. You may *find* Lost a good TV show, but that does not mean it actually IS a good TV show– it just means YOU think it’s a great TV show. I absolutely hate it, as it lacks originality, the acting is anything but good, and it is simply boring.

How does watching a slasher movie make you an animal, while watching a murder without the details NOT make you an animal?

No, it is not about personal preference.

Ah, so your opinion on slasher movies is The One Truth. Good. Then, similarly, my opinion on Lost is also The One Truth.


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Eugenia wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 8:49 AM PST:

Thom, I just do not approve of raw violence. There is one thing to tell a story revolving a murder and another to show all the graphic details.

And I do NOT consider this a matter of taste. I consider this an *unethical issue* that the society should not tolerate. It is unethical to go and watch such movies. They degrade the personality because they make people less sensitive (yes, I do believe this).


Thom Holwerda wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 9:05 AM PST:

It is unethical to go and watch such movies.

Whether something is ethical or not is… Sorry to say it, a matter of taste. We Westerners find it unethical to eat cats and dogs, yet people in Korea do not find it unethical. I, for instance, find the state killing of people (the death penalty) extremely unethical, yet you do not. Etc. Etc.

They degrade the personality because they make people less sensitive (yes, I do believe this).

Well, you also believe that because I drink coffee, I was addicted, yet I reguralry go for days and weeks without coffee, without any problems. You also said that my use of caffeine and alcohol made my unhealthy, while in fact I haven’t seen a doctor in years, and am in full health.

Basically, you think I am a sick person, and that I need to see a psychiatrist (because I do enjoy a good horror movie every now and then), that I need to enter rehab (for my apparant alcohol and caffeine addiction), and that I am an irresponsible person for liking to to do dangerous things such as parachute jumping.

Well, great. I just find a life without those things boring, dull, and monotone. Who are you to make all the above judgement calls?


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Eugenia wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 9:09 AM PST:

Thom, did you miss the part where I write that there are viewable horror movies and others that simply are not? I listed “Final Destination” and “The Others” that are fully acceptable. But things like SAW or that other one with some people locked in a room tortured, are not. And again, I don’t find this to be a matter of taste. Like it’s not a matter of taste if you want to kill someone in real life or not. It is just not ethical. Similarly, watching extremely violent movies, is not ethical either. Humans must remain sensitive, it’s the only way to go forward as a race and civilization.


Thom Holwerda wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 9:18 AM PST:

Eugenia, I suggest you read up on what the concept of ethics entails. You completely ignore the fact that ethics are opinions, and that they very well can (and mostly do, seeing my examples) differ per person or group. What you deem unethical, can be completely ethical for someone else. See my examples.

I actually enjoyed Saw a lot, the story was original, there was a lot of suspense. In any case, about ten million times as good as the stranded-on-an-island crap “Lost”.

And this is the last I will say about this. I refuse to discuss ethics with someone who fails to grasp the concept.


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Eugenia wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 9:27 AM PST:

I know what ethics is, and I firmly believe that people must not watch violent imagery. It’s not good for their character. Luis above explained it well too.


Luis wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 11:05 AM PST:

I never liked horror films and always avoided them. Basically because they are of two kinds: the ones that try to scare you but can’t (those are 90% and are simply ridiculous) and the ones who actually scare you (I myself find it really unpleasant to feel fear, so what’s the point? If I want to feel alive I can find many other pleasant things to do/feel).

I also find no pleasure in seeing people being tortured or murdered. In fact, I find it annoying. And the fact that most people like it is quite discouraging. Even governments seem to find this perfectly normal, while they find a nude person or a couple having sex completely subversive. Strange society…


Andreas wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 12:28 PM PST:

Torturing or immense quantities of blood could be VERY entertaining. Take for example this movie. One of my favorites. I enjoyed every moment of it and I do not think that I need a shrink. I feel very healthy.

I like also movies where people get murdered and I guess you like some of these too. That does not mean that there is something wrong with us. And that’s because we know the difference between reality and fiction. If we find that the movie has a nice story and it is artistically good made, we don’t care if some people get killled in it. Why this must be different for torturing?


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Eugenia wrote on October 31st, 2006 at 12:46 PM PST:

You are misunderstanding what I say over here. I don’t mind movies where murders happen (e.g. a gunshot), but I do mind movies where you see all the details of torturing. And it’s not the blood that makes me sick (”Kill Bill” was fun for example because it didn’t take itself very seriously), it’s the actual graphic detail of a painfully slow torturing process that doesn’t seem to serve any purpose at all.

For example, it’s one thing to watch or hear a 30sec reference to a torture that took place by a serial killer and that some cops are after him, and it’s a DIFFERENT thing when 70 minutes out of the 90 minutes movie is about SHOWING YOU all the details. There is a huge difference right there. I have ETHICAL objections for such movies to EXIST. People should NOT take pleasure out of such shit and such movies should not exist in the first place. Humans must stay or become sensitive creatures and such movies don’t help at all. That’s my take.


Optimus wrote on November 1st, 2006 at 4:00 AM PST:

Human nature?

Sometimes I find myself being curious/addicted(?) to watch a violent or sexual scene just for the brutality of it. While I excuse myself for my unseen wish to get some wicked emotion from it, I understand it’s a part of me and I try to feel and analyze it. It’s similar to watching a sad movie. Why someone would want to experience negative feelings out of it? Ok, maybe those brutal movies go to far into the abyss of the human soul but I wouldn’t just deny these strange tastes rather than wonder what produces them. There must be a better reason why many people are attracted to violent themes than that they need a shrink.


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